C471RJR - Owner not currently known
Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:00 pm
January 2017 - Tonight I had an email from (FG) who had seen this car last year in Nice, France...
This was useful as this is a numberplate I know yet for some reason there was no entry on our website!
Going back in time to 2004 I had been chatting to (CW) who had bought this car and if you look at the entry for car 062 you will see the start of the story http://www.rs200.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=251&t=296
I have dug through the archive of my old website and found the text that used to exist but that was for some reason never transferred to this new website?
On 22nd January 2004 - Chris bought a "running" car from a Bernard Carney specialist car dealer. Bernard had taken the car in part in part exchange from a guy called Terry Townsend who traded it against a Rolls / Bentley that Bernard had for sale stating that the car was ex Ford / Hathaway C200KHJ with a lost logbook. Bernard did the deal and tried to obtain logbook through normal DVLA channels to then find out that there was another C200KHJ at Northallerton.
The car had no chassis plate or stamped VIN (but that would be normal for a works car) and paperwork showed that another C200KHJ had been bought direct from FORD following being damaged and appeared to be the "real one".
The DVLA were involved as to agreeing a future identity and a price was agreed and the deal done.
Bernard had tried very hard to obtain proof from Graham Hathaway before Chris bought the car as to its history, and was given this outlining the history of the car from Hathaway
We still have the question as to what was the car initially ? - The chassis had cut outs on the bulk head and in the rear frame which were something done to cars that were being turned into EVOS but the engine was a 1.8 not a 2.1 and was traced as being an original engine number, one that was a spare.
There were upgrades to the front chassis rails which is to stop them bending during rough surface and there was damage to the underside of the car is typical for rally / rallycross abuse. The car was fitted with a front sumpguard / gearbox guard full length and during rubbing down the car does have a different colour one of which is Yellow, which Chris believes, was a Hathaway's, rallycross colour which appears in all sorts of places included chassis and main body.
Chris had a meeting with Arch motors (who made the chassis) and they suggested this was a very early shell, maybe in the first batch of 7 chassis supplied by them and from other items they noticed, certainly in the first 20 supplied, perhaps one used by FORD for prototyping ...info not verified or certified
The bad news, the floor had become delaminated and, upon further measurements, it turned out the chassis also had some heavy right impact and was twisted, the good news, if there can be any is Arch were able to supply Chris another chassis !
We found some old images of 200 chassis at Graham Hathaways in the '80's so it could have been one of them....
Chris really did take his new purchase apart ! - I couldn't work out from the images what bit is the new chassis or the old one ?
In January 2005 - Chris has been extensively rebuilding this car and DVLA have issued him a new index C471RJR and the car will be ready in 2005.
March 2005 - The engine in the car has a rare block number of H85 not H82 as for RS1700T. - According to RS news all works cars has these blocks plus another 10 extra blocks were made, see the below....
December 2020 - I have been sent a link from (MM) thanks, showing the car for sale here https://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/ford-rs-200-groupe-b/
Price: 190000
Factory Date: 1986
City: 71210 - TORCY
Country: France
Listed: november 25, 2020 8:31 am
Expires: 58 days, 18 hours
Ad id: 569698
Vend FORD RS200 VRAI GROUPE B
1986
450CV
Boite 5 vitesses
1.8Litres
Etat excellent voiture refaite en 2004
Chassis 68
Possède tous les papiers Anglais
Prix : 190 000€
It mentions something about chassis 68 but we know that is not right.
If you find out anything else about this car please drop me an email and I'll update the cars entry !
justin.smith@rs200.org
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Hi Justin,
I've been looking on RS 200 Database today, and maybe I've got some information on particular chassis number 15.
Recently, on June 10, 2017 I went to the 3rd French Riviera Classic Motor Show in Nice, where some former Group B Rally cars were shown. Actually it was possible to make three laps on a small circuit as a co-pilot.
Those Group B rally cars were:
- An 1985 Austin Metro 6R4 with Belga livery, plate JAZ 9708
- An 1985 Audi Quattro S1 with Audi sport Livery
- An 1985 Peugeot 205 T16 Evo2 Peugeot Sport livery, plate W-441-GL which has been used by Sebastien Loeb during the 2016 Ralllye du Var
and
- An 1986 Ford RS 200 in Ford livery , plate C471 RJR
All these cars were shown by Vaison Groupe B company http://vaisongroupeb.com/ and it is said on their website that the RS 200 they use finished 3rd on 1986 Swedish Rally driven by Kalle Grundell. So that car might be chassis 015
Furthermore the RS 200 was on sale for 200 000€ on May 16, 2017 as it can be seen there:
https://www.motorsportauctions.com/cate ... RS200.html
Hopefully, it could be helpful
This was useful as this is a numberplate I know yet for some reason there was no entry on our website!
Going back in time to 2004 I had been chatting to (CW) who had bought this car and if you look at the entry for car 062 you will see the start of the story http://www.rs200.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=251&t=296
I have dug through the archive of my old website and found the text that used to exist but that was for some reason never transferred to this new website?
On 22nd January 2004 - Chris bought a "running" car from a Bernard Carney specialist car dealer. Bernard had taken the car in part in part exchange from a guy called Terry Townsend who traded it against a Rolls / Bentley that Bernard had for sale stating that the car was ex Ford / Hathaway C200KHJ with a lost logbook. Bernard did the deal and tried to obtain logbook through normal DVLA channels to then find out that there was another C200KHJ at Northallerton.
The car had no chassis plate or stamped VIN (but that would be normal for a works car) and paperwork showed that another C200KHJ had been bought direct from FORD following being damaged and appeared to be the "real one".
The DVLA were involved as to agreeing a future identity and a price was agreed and the deal done.
Bernard had tried very hard to obtain proof from Graham Hathaway before Chris bought the car as to its history, and was given this outlining the history of the car from Hathaway
We still have the question as to what was the car initially ? - The chassis had cut outs on the bulk head and in the rear frame which were something done to cars that were being turned into EVOS but the engine was a 1.8 not a 2.1 and was traced as being an original engine number, one that was a spare.
There were upgrades to the front chassis rails which is to stop them bending during rough surface and there was damage to the underside of the car is typical for rally / rallycross abuse. The car was fitted with a front sumpguard / gearbox guard full length and during rubbing down the car does have a different colour one of which is Yellow, which Chris believes, was a Hathaway's, rallycross colour which appears in all sorts of places included chassis and main body.
Chris had a meeting with Arch motors (who made the chassis) and they suggested this was a very early shell, maybe in the first batch of 7 chassis supplied by them and from other items they noticed, certainly in the first 20 supplied, perhaps one used by FORD for prototyping ...info not verified or certified
The bad news, the floor had become delaminated and, upon further measurements, it turned out the chassis also had some heavy right impact and was twisted, the good news, if there can be any is Arch were able to supply Chris another chassis !
We found some old images of 200 chassis at Graham Hathaways in the '80's so it could have been one of them....
Chris really did take his new purchase apart ! - I couldn't work out from the images what bit is the new chassis or the old one ?
In January 2005 - Chris has been extensively rebuilding this car and DVLA have issued him a new index C471RJR and the car will be ready in 2005.
March 2005 - The engine in the car has a rare block number of H85 not H82 as for RS1700T. - According to RS news all works cars has these blocks plus another 10 extra blocks were made, see the below....
December 2020 - I have been sent a link from (MM) thanks, showing the car for sale here https://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/ford-rs-200-groupe-b/
Price: 190000
Factory Date: 1986
City: 71210 - TORCY
Country: France
Listed: november 25, 2020 8:31 am
Expires: 58 days, 18 hours
Ad id: 569698
Vend FORD RS200 VRAI GROUPE B
1986
450CV
Boite 5 vitesses
1.8Litres
Etat excellent voiture refaite en 2004
Chassis 68
Possède tous les papiers Anglais
Prix : 190 000€
It mentions something about chassis 68 but we know that is not right.
If you find out anything else about this car please drop me an email and I'll update the cars entry !
justin.smith@rs200.org
Images